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Accident in Progress on N Judah at 10th and Judah

I was wondering why the N outbound was indicating such a long delay, and now I just heard the news helicopters and got several messages..it seems that there's been a serious accident on the N Judah line on 10th and Judah...I am about to leave for an event but will take some pics...follow me on Twitter for updates...hopefully no one was hurt.photo.jpg

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Yep- there's a bad accident at between 10th and 11th on Judah. There's a small red car practically jammed between the first and second car of a beach bound train, with a city bound train on the opposite track. I have no idea how it happened as it isn't at an intersection. All I could think of was the red car was driving on teh tracks maybe and lost control.

Muni is not running any buses yet and they turned my train around at UCSF hospital. No trains in any direction for now.

Happened in front of our house. They just pulled the car out, the driver was fine, amazingly. Must've really thrown a wrench in the evening rush hour commute.

I was walking past the intersection when the red car drove from behind me to get across 11th avenue. The outbound train hit it on the driver's side straight-on and pushed it for half a block. The car turned onto the inbound side and luckily the train on that side was stopped. It was really amazing that the woman looked unhurt! She was calling out to the crowd and asking what happened.

I was walking past the intersection when the red car drove from behind me to get across 11th avenue. The outbound train hit it on the driver's side straight-on and pushed it for half a block. The car turned onto the inbound side and luckily the train on that side was stopped. It was really amazing that the woman looked unhurt! She was calling out to the crowd and asking what happened.

ok, that woman needs to buy all of us drinks.

People just do NOT know how to drive in this city. They disregard all of the rules and have no thought for others' safety or their own. What a douchenozzle.

I had a great view of the whole thing. I actually have better pictures than the ones you posted..so hey if you want them let me know. I live on the corner of 9th and Judah on the top floor and the view was perfect for pictures. Anyway, I diagree in some respect as to what happend. Being as I witnessed the whole thing-Muni DOES hold some fault. The drivers up Muni BOTH of them tried to speed up to beat the driver to the spot, that is why the car is wedge. ONE WAS TAIL GATING THE CAR DRIVER. Now, I think the driver wasn't very smart-i'll give you that-but what does it say about the Muni driver who choose to teach the lady a lesson when-they up high-had the obvious advantage seeing everything early. The lady did NOT suddenly turn on the muni line-SHE WAS ALREADY ON IT. Muni was acting a fool as well and instead of just honking the horn to move or WAITING they kept pushing as to scare her off the road. It happend so fast she had no idea what hit her. She was at fault as well, but so was Muni.

witnessed the whole thing.

Reminds me of the classic photo from the 60's, showing a 1955 Chevy sandwiched between two PCC's at Church & 30th (back when that was the end of the J line). I titled it "St. Louis 2, Detroit 3/4". Regarding the incident under discussion: yes, it helps if your mind is on the same planet your car is.

@greg: oh if you've got pics, by all means, post 'em to flickr or something and I'll happily link to them.

interesting to hear your eyewitness account..that does change things a little. But again, none of this would have happened had the driver simply done what the law says and stay off the median. Still, one would hope MUNI drivers wouldn't want to be using their trains as bumper cars too!

Dedicated RoW or not, the driver of the train is obligated to look out for potential obstacles. In theory the 25mph speed limit is such that the LRV operators have enough time to react and stop the train in time to prevent a collision.

Some MUNI employees (on the RM list) have proposed that the LRV braking systems are defective, and that unintended acceleration is often a result of commanding a full stop. If this were true, or believed by the drivers, shouldn't they be allowing even more space between them and traffic?

Quite frankly, I think a prudent reporter would file an FIOA request to get the NextBus (and black box) data for those two trains at that time... just to see if the drivers were speeding.

Greg, think of it this way. If you get a green light, enter an intersection, and get hit by cross traffic... legally you retain some blame. The law requires you to look both ways, and ensure that it's safe to enter an intersection.

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